Educating - Use FoF to teach

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Postby Wintersbane08 » Thu Oct 09, 2008 7:32 pm

Teaching wife and oldest kid to play drums.
Had a brainstorm. Record drum rudiments ( paradiddle, drags, ratamacues, stroke rolls) in 2 min audios.
Then chart them out with instructions on the technique.
Put them in a tier type set-up with set goals.
Like 100% 3 times and move on to next lesson.

Now i realize FoF is meant to be a game and for fun, but.......
What do you think??
I am doing this anyway for my wife and oldest. Think it's worth posting after it's done?
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Postby NinjAstar » Thu Oct 09, 2008 7:39 pm

Like Jurgen's Tutorial, but with career settings?

This is a great idea, although my bro will never let me use his drum set, but definitely great idea wintersbane. :D
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Postby MarvinPA » Fri Oct 10, 2008 9:53 am

I'm in the middle of doing this my self.

Infact I have a drum book. And I was going to fret this out.

If anyone wants to help they are welcome to.
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Postby vedicardi » Fri Oct 10, 2008 10:08 am

Rock Band 2's Drum Trainer would probably work a lot better, but I can see this working.
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Postby kirbix » Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:32 pm

Yeah, I'd go through it if you posted it. Once I get my drum kit, that is.
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Postby myfingershurt » Fri Oct 10, 2008 7:43 pm

I'd like to take a look at this when you're finished, as well. If it's something I can make into another Training / Tutorial selection, then I can include as further training material. We have plenty of space for more than just Jurgen's tutorial.
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Postby Wintersbane08 » Fri Oct 10, 2008 9:30 pm

In my search to find sheet music for helping the wife and kid. I found that Vic Firth's web site has this on it ( am not using there audio files ) but it is for pads or real drum use.
So a ton of credit goes to the folks at Vic Firth for the format.
Thought it would be good idea to make it for FoF. Glad to see a few agree.

Marvin: I am planning to use the standard 40 Rudiments.
Not sure about how to tell the player which hand the note should be played with. ( L R LL R L RR )
Might try to use the part up to for the vocals. ( once i learn how.
Tiers would look like this. ( standard format for most drum lessons)

Tier 1

Single Stroke Roll
Double Stroke Roll
Paradiddle
Flam
Single Stroke Four
Seven Stroke Roll
Five Stroke Roll
Nine Stroke Roll
Multiple Bounce Roll
Buzz Roll

Tier 2

Triple Stroke Roll
Double Stroke Roll
Six Stroke Roll
Thirteen Stroke Roll
Fifteen Stroke Roll
Seventeen Stroke Roll
Flamacue
Drag
Single Drag
Double Drag
Triple Drag

Tier 3

Flam Paradiddle
Flam Tap
Flam Accent
Pataflafla
Single Flammed Mill
Single Paradiddle
Double Paradiddle
Triple Paradiddle
Ruff

Tier 4

Swiss Army Triplets
Flam Paradiddle
Inverted Flams
Single Drag
Double Drag
Triple Drag
Ratamacue
Single Ratamacue
Double Ratamacue
Triple Ratamacue

Tier 5

Lesson 25
Single Drag Tap
Double Drag Tap
Triple Drag Tap
Inverted Flam Tap
Flam Drags
Single Stroke Three
Single Stroke Four
Single Stroke Five
Double Bounce Roll
Paradiddle Diddle

I plan on using yellow pad for left hand blue pad for right hand. They seem to be the best suited in terms of response and position.

I already have source for all the audio files. Working on making them 4 times as long. Then just need to chart them all with absolute accuracy.

If this is the same format you plan to use i am willing to do 20 of the charts.

Myfingershurt: That would be great. I would love to see that happen.
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Re: Educating - Use FoF to teach

Postby myfingershurt » Sat Oct 18, 2008 11:57 am

Once you have the songs fretted and can play them, you can look into one of either two ways to tell the player what hand pattern to use:

script.txt
See examples of these in other FoF songs, they show a sentence at a time (or a picture) at the bottom of the screen at certain times throughout the song. Just like Jurgen's tutorial.
These are a bit tougher to make IMO, and less functional than the second option:

notes.mid
just add "Lyric" events at the appropriate time to the MIDI file, and the words you enter will scroll across the screen like Rock Band lyrics. You'll need a MIDI editor capable of working with lyric events. As a backup, you could just add "Text" events that start with "section " - the word Section will be filtered out and these will scroll across the very top of the screen, like Rock Band sections.

These could turn out to be some very cool and useful drumming tutorials. :)
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Re: Educating - Use FoF to teach

Postby Stickmasta » Sat Oct 18, 2008 12:03 pm

that is a nice idea
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Re: Educating - Use FoF to teach

Postby Deseo Sangre » Sat Oct 18, 2008 12:52 pm

It might sound pretty stupid,
But what if someone would record (as in voice recording) what the player has to do?
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Re: Educating - Use FoF to teach

Postby Enteiser » Sat Oct 18, 2008 4:52 pm

Deseo Sangre wrote:It might sound pretty stupid,
But what if someone would record (as in voice recording) what the player has to do?


Should be no problem in a syncronized "song.ogg"- file... or we can put a metronome in this file....

I hope this idea will realized.......

I also like the RB2-drum trainer... but you must have coding skills to realize something like this...


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Re: Educating - Use FoF to teach

Postby myfingershurt » Sun Oct 19, 2008 11:10 am

Enteiser wrote:
Deseo Sangre wrote:It might sound pretty stupid,
But what if someone would record (as in voice recording) what the player has to do?


Should be no problem in a syncronized "song.ogg"- file... or we can put a metronome in this file....

I hope this idea will realized.......

I also like the RB2-drum trainer... but you must have coding skills to realize something like this...


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Obviously voice instructions are the most clear; Jurgen gives you voice as well as a script.txt display to supplement it. IMO it's going to take a lot more coordination and effort to create a properly synchronized voice instruction track for each lesson, and it's more realistic to start with one of the two styles of text instructions. Of course, having both voice and text would be optimal - but that can be added later with a additional, separated tracks should someone feel like creating them.
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Re: Educating - Use FoF to teach

Postby Kermit4Prez » Sun Oct 19, 2008 3:49 pm

I have an old drum book that has basic songs in it that teach you how to do paradiddles and stuff.

I could record some of that, if you want.

They could be encores or something.

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Re: Educating - Use FoF to teach

Postby REA » Sun Oct 19, 2008 8:13 pm

i would like this too! ive been wanting to play drums but didnt want to pay $150 a year (if im fortunate) only to learn one simple beat.
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